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Are there any EQS owners out there who switched from a Tesla? If so, I would love to hear your experience. How do you like the car generally, and, most importantly, since the car here comes with no charging cable, what have you done for that?
 

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Hello - I switched from a Model S, and still have a Y performance. I am having a few issues with the EQS which I’ll post separately but here are my observations.

looks: I think the EQS looks way better in person than in pictures, I do have the AMG exterior styling which looks great. Also it is well built, my S had many panel gaps which I forgave, the EQS is flawless in that respect.

interior: it’s not even close.I get the minimalist IKEA vibe Tesla is going for but between the hyper screen and then ambient light show the EQS kills it

charging: I already have the equivalent of level 2 charging at home so the car chargers at a little over 9kw. I cannot get highspeed charging to work at Electrify America (will post separately on that) it charges at home just as fast as the Tesla does. Not including the equivalent of a Tesla charging cable with the nema adapter is a bit rubbish. Tesla superchargers are plentiful along the corridors I drive and locally that remains a massive plus.

range: I’ve never been able to match the estimated range to reality on the teslas, it’s not a hugely off but enough to cause range anxiety. The EQS is the opposite, the 580 is supposed to get 340, I’ve had it over 400 easily, the paddle shifters are really an engineering marvel, I would like to see regen miles hours displayed.

driving: I watched all the reviews I could about the car, some of them were just off. I was expecting it to be under braked, squishy pedal feel etc. none of that has been my experience. I can’t tell any discernible difference between the EQS and Model S driving experience except for acceleration. The Tesla is brutal, the EQS doesn’t feel less quick but the power delivery is incredibly smooth point A to B is achieved instantly.
 

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Hello - I switched from a Model S, and still have a Y performance. I am having a few issues with the EQS which I’ll post separately but here are my observations.

looks: I think the EQS looks way better in person than in pictures, I do have the AMG exterior styling which looks great. Also it is well built, my S had many panel gaps which I forgave, the EQS is flawless in that respect.

interior: it’s not even close.I get the minimalist IKEA vibe Tesla is going for but between the hyper screen and then ambient light show the EQS kills it

charging: I already have the equivalent of level 2 charging at home so the car chargers at a little over 9kw. I cannot get highspeed charging to work at Electrify America (will post separately on that) it charges at home just as fast as the Tesla does. Not including the equivalent of a Tesla charging cable with the nema adapter is a bit rubbish. Tesla superchargers are plentiful along the corridors I drive and locally that remains a massive plus.

range: I’ve never been able to match the estimated range to reality on the teslas, it’s not a hugely off but enough to cause range anxiety. The EQS is the opposite, the 580 is supposed to get 340, I’ve had it over 400 easily, the paddle shifters are really an engineering marvel, I would like to see regen miles hours displayed.

driving: I watched all the reviews I could about the car, some of them were just off. I was expecting it to be under braked, squishy pedal feel etc. none of that has been my experience. I can’t tell any discernible difference between the EQS and Model S driving experience except for acceleration. The Tesla is brutal, the EQS doesn’t feel less quick but the power delivery is incredibly smooth point A to B is achieved instantly.
Thank you so much. That is very helpful. I’d love to see your other posts but don’t know how to find them. Hopefully, by searching your name. I agree the lack of a cable is mystifying, particularly as MB supplies the car with one in Europe and Australia.
 

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Hello - I switched from a Model S, and still have a Y performance. I am having a few issues with the EQS which I’ll post separately but here are my observations.

looks: I think the EQS looks way better in person than in pictures, I do have the AMG exterior styling which looks great. Also it is well built, my S had many panel gaps which I forgave, the EQS is flawless in that respect.

interior: it’s not even close.I get the minimalist IKEA vibe Tesla is going for but between the hyper screen and then ambient light show the EQS kills it

charging: I already have the equivalent of level 2 charging at home so the car chargers at a little over 9kw. I cannot get highspeed charging to work at Electrify America (will post separately on that) it charges at home just as fast as the Tesla does. Not including the equivalent of a Tesla charging cable with the nema adapter is a bit rubbish. Tesla superchargers are plentiful along the corridors I drive and locally that remains a massive plus.

range: I’ve never been able to match the estimated range to reality on the teslas, it’s not a hugely off but enough to cause range anxiety. The EQS is the opposite, the 580 is supposed to get 340, I’ve had it over 400 easily, the paddle shifters are really an engineering marvel, I would like to see regen miles hours displayed.

driving: I watched all the reviews I could about the car, some of them were just off. I was expecting it to be under braked, squishy pedal feel etc. none of that has been my experience. I can’t tell any discernible difference between the EQS and Model S driving experience except for acceleration. The Tesla is brutal, the EQS doesn’t feel less quick but the power delivery is incredibly smooth point A to B is achieved instantly.
Your comments mirror my own. To clarify, I don't own one yet but have ordered some time back .... if experiencing problems in that department.

I tested both and it was night and day. Both please, one makes you feel elevated.

Consider the difference staying in a Wellington Arch view suite in the Intercontinental Hotel Park Lane and a Club room at Heathrow Crowne Plaza. You'll have a happy time in each and with the same binary components. but the one will make you breath more easily and with a sense of satisfaction :) ..... I hope that translates.

I'm far from knowledgeable on the Tesla proposition. And have no history or enthusiasm for Mercedes as a brand. And indeed not really a car guy. And maybe that puts me in a good position to be objective. It appears to me that Tesla did a huge amount of solid pioneering work. No doubt. But I suspect Mercedes watched the nest being built, before deciding to move in. And it appears to have done so rather well. Time will tell.

That said, I have deep frustrations with Mercedes options being advertised that they now concede cannot be fitted or supplied or even a time line given when they can. These are not options that have impact in the US market as it goes so irrelevant to some extent.

I should say (in the UK) I found the Tesla folks far more knowledgeable on their hard product that Mercedes
 

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Hello - I switched from a Model S, and still have a Y performance. I am having a few issues with the EQS which I’ll post separately but here are my observations.

looks: I think the EQS looks way better in person than in pictures, I do have the AMG exterior styling which looks great. Also it is well built, my S had many panel gaps which I forgave, the EQS is flawless in that respect.

interior: it’s not even close.I get the minimalist IKEA vibe Tesla is going for but between the hyper screen and then ambient light show the EQS kills it

charging: I already have the equivalent of level 2 charging at home so the car chargers at a little over 9kw. I cannot get highspeed charging to work at Electrify America (will post separately on that) it charges at home just as fast as the Tesla does. Not including the equivalent of a Tesla charging cable with the nema adapter is a bit rubbish. Tesla superchargers are plentiful along the corridors I drive and locally that remains a massive plus.

range: I’ve never been able to match the estimated range to reality on the teslas, it’s not a hugely off but enough to cause range anxiety. The EQS is the opposite, the 580 is supposed to get 340, I’ve had it over 400 easily, the paddle shifters are really an engineering marvel, I would like to see regen miles hours displayed.

driving: I watched all the reviews I could about the car, some of them were just off. I was expecting it to be under braked, squishy pedal feel etc. none of that has been my experience. I can’t tell any discernible difference between the EQS and Model S driving experience except for acceleration. The Tesla is brutal, the EQS doesn’t feel less quick but the power delivery is incredibly smooth point A to B is achieved instantly.
I currently have a Tesla and I am looking at moving to an EQS. Can you tell me the current automated driving functions in US production models. All the write-ups out there are for the new level 3 system which is not in current US production vehicles. From what I understand, the only automated functions currently available during normal driving are:

1. Adaptive cruise control above 20 mph with stop and go traffic resume (up to 60 second stop automatically resumes, over 60 seconds requires driver input to resume). It says this is available on country roads, as well as highways, so I assume it essentially works on all roads like Tesla’s basic Autopilot.

2. Speed limit sign recognition and automatic adjustment of speed. Not sure if it works at all speeds above 20 mph, or just highway speeds.

3. There is no continuous automated steering when in cruise control, just “lane keep assist” which gives you a warning and then active correction if your manual steering actions stray outside the lines.

4. Automated lane change, must be initiated manually by activating turn signal, lane change is completed automatically when determined to be safe by software.

I never use the Automatic lane change in my Tesla, but I do like the continuous automated steering for long drives on the highway.

Any feedback from your experience with both Tesla and EQS would be helpful.

Thanks
 

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Let me start by saying that the EQS so far superior to the model S it’s not even close. It is, after all, a Mercedes, and the difference in the quality and engineering is palpable.

As to automated driving functions, I recently took a 3000 mile road trip. Put this car in cruise control and it basically does everything the Tesla does but does it better. And it’s spectacular Blindspot warning system makes driving much safer, as does heads-up display. And Apple CarPlay - terrific.

As to your specific questions:
1. Yes
2. Works beautifully but I don’t know if it’s got a specific mph trigger. Never noticed.
3. There most certainly is continuous automatic steering. And if you try to change lanes without putting your turn signal on, the car really let’s you know it with a very severe resistance Which pulls you back
4. Yes

The model S is a super fast sport sedan with reliability problems and an interior that looks like it was designed by IKEA. The EQS Is a true luxury sedan, with splendid engineering and thoughtful design, very feature rich. It is an Equipage for the gods.
 

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Very interesting and objective comments on this thread.

I say that as another forum I read and occasionally post on and is a good repository of EV related information but that I constantly notice the obsessively defensiveness and possessiveness of the brand and product.

It is hard to hold an objective conversation with a proportion of the Tesla crowd. They seem purely focused on 'winning the conversation'.

But this is interesting to be able to measure the differences between brand and product, be they good or bad.
 

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Very interesting and objective comments on this thread.

I say that as another forum I read and occasionally post on and is a good repository of EV related information but that I constantly notice the obsessively defensiveness and possessiveness of the brand and product.

It is hard to hold an objective conversation with a proportion of the Tesla crowd. They seem purely focused on 'winning the conversation'.

But this is interesting to be able to measure the differences between brand and product, be they good or bad.
Tesla forums are dominated by fanbois who measure their manhood by 0-60 speed
 

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Tesla forums are dominated by fanbois who measure their manhood by 0-60 speed
Yes seems very much the case. It seems to be a bit of a cult in the same manner as Apple obsessives. They do tend make themselves a bit of a soft target for other EV owners :)

There's a lot to like in the tech side on the Tesla but experience wise I'm feeling more positive about the EQS. And to hear from folks who have owned and have experienced both is very interesting.
 

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Yes seems very much the case. It seems to be a bit of a cult in the same manner as Apple obsessives. They do tend make themselves a bit of a soft target for other EV owners :)

There's a lot to like in the tech side on the Tesla but experience wise I'm feeling more positive about the EQS. And to hear from folks who have owned and have experienced both is very interesting.
I have had three model Ss since 2013 and assumed Tesla was the industry leader tech wise. But Mercedes kicks their ass.
 

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I have had three model Ss since 2013 and assumed Tesla was the industry leader tech wise. But Mercedes kicks their ass.
Tesla
No HUD -- a significant failure
2nd-rate BSW, autopark, and auto wipers -- inexcusable because so easily rectified
No Apple Car Play -- inanely dumb
Sonic Hedgehog, farting -- childlish foolishness that passeth human understanding but may be a manifestation of Elon's autism.

So the genius of the EV, OTA updates, and battery technology is now a given, and buyers' decisions are increasingly influenced by features, an area in which Tesla is sinking dangerously close to the bottom of the EV field
 

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Let me start by saying that the EQS so far superior to the model S it’s not even close. It is, after all, a Mercedes, and the difference in the quality and engineering is palpable.

As to automated driving functions, I recently took a 3000 mile road trip. Put this car in cruise control and it basically does everything the Tesla does but does it better. And it’s spectacular Blindspot warning system makes driving much safer, as does heads-up display. And Apple CarPlay - terrific.

As to your specific questions:
1. Yes
2. Works beautifully but I don’t know if it’s got a specific mph trigger. Never noticed.
3. There most certainly is continuous automatic steering. And if you try to change lanes without putting your turn signal on, the car really let’s you know it with a very severe resistance Which pulls you back
4. Yes

The model S is a super fast sport sedan with reliability problems and an interior that looks like it was designed by IKEA. The EQS Is a true luxury sedan, with splendid engineering and thoughtful design, very feature rich. It is an Equipage for the gods.
Thanks for the information. After reading your post, I did find the EQS owners manual online with a detailed description of “active steering assist”. Additionally, it looks like “traffic sign assist” in the EQS includes traffic lights and signs in construction areas. One additional question, do the capacitive hand sensors in the steering wheel totally eliminate the need to apply constant side pressure to the steering wheel when in adaptive cruise control? I have learned how to hold the Tesla steering wheel so that just the weight of my arm applies enough pressure to keep the system engaged, but just requiring my hands to be on the wheel without any pressure applied would be much less stressful.
 

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Thanks for the information. After reading your post, I did find the EQS owners manual online with a detailed description of “active steering assist”. Additionally, it looks like “traffic sign assist” in the EQS includes traffic lights and signs in construction areas. One additional question, do the capacitive hand sensors in the steering wheel totally eliminate the need to apply constant side pressure to the steering wheel when in adaptive cruise control? I have learned how to hold the Tesla steering wheel so that just the weight of my arm applies enough pressure to keep the system engaged, but just requiring my hands to be on the wheel without any pressure applied would be much less stressful.
Yes, they do.
 

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I currently have a Tesla and I am looking at moving to an EQS. Can you tell me the current automated driving functions in US production models. All the write-ups out there are for the new level 3 system which is not in current US production vehicles. From what I understand, the only automated functions currently available during normal driving are:

1. Adaptive cruise control above 20 mph with stop and go traffic resume (up to 60 second stop automatically resumes, over 60 seconds requires driver input to resume). It says this is available on country roads, as well as highways, so I assume it essentially works on all roads like Tesla’s basic Autopilot.

2. Speed limit sign recognition and automatic adjustment of speed. Not sure if it works at all speeds above 20 mph, or just highway speeds.

3. There is no continuous automated steering when in cruise control, just “lane keep assist” which gives you a warning and then active correction if your manual steering actions stray outside the lines.

4. Automated lane change, must be initiated manually by activating turn signal, lane change is completed automatically when determined to be safe by software.

I never use the Automatic lane change in my Tesla, but I do like the continuous automated steering for long drives on the highway.

Any feedback from your experience with both Tesla and EQS would be helpful.

Thanks
Hello all - I am planning to do this too. I had a '17 Model S, sold it and bought a '22 Model S Long Range with all options. While waiting the 380 days for the car to come, I ordered an EQS580 and it is now at the Port of Los Angeles. I plan to buy it, decide which car to keep between the Tesla and EQS, and sell one or the other.

Frankly I am excited about the EQS. I like the Tesla, but love the fit and finish and interior of the MB. We also have an E450 convertible (and have had other MB cars) so I like the brand.

Does anyone with a 580 have any regrets?
 

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Hello all - I am planning to do this too. I had a '17 Model S, sold it and bought a '22 Model S Long Range with all options. While waiting the 380 days for the car to come, I ordered an EQS580 and it is now at the Port of Los Angeles. I plan to buy it, decide which car to keep between the Tesla and EQS, and sell one or the other.

Frankly I am excited about the EQS. I like the Tesla, but love the fit and finish and interior of the MB. We also have an E450 convertible (and have had other MB cars) so I like the brand.

Does anyone with a 580 have any regrets?
Will be very interested to hear your comparison Bruce. Not for any other reason than there does seem be a steady stream of Tesla owners being impressed by EQS and noticing the quality gap.

In fairness they also appear to have set the way forward enthusiastically with early days Tesla's. And that's fair enough but it does seem that the EQS sets a new standard and benchmark.

Please keep us updated with your initial impressions and mid term scorecard. Will be an interesting read.
 

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Hello all - I am planning to do this too. I had a '17 Model S, sold it and bought a '22 Model S Long Range with all options. While waiting the 380 days for the car to come, I ordered an EQS580 and it is now at the Port of Los Angeles. I plan to buy it, decide which car to keep between the Tesla and EQS, and sell one or the other.

Frankly I am excited about the EQS. I like the Tesla, but love the fit and finish and interior of the MB. We also have an E450 convertible (and have had other MB cars) so I like the brand.

Does anyone with a 580 have any regrets?
I went from a 2013 MS 85 to a 2017 MSD to a 2021MSLR. The latter is such a horrible car – with a diabolical user interface – that I dumped it after a few months and bought an EQS 450+.

I predict you will not like the new interface in the MSLR. It is clearly designed to be cheap to build and ignores driver convenience. You will also be struck by the extraordinary difference in quality. The Tesla is a poorly built very fast sport vehicle with an interior design by IKEA. It is a glorified golf cart. The EQS is a splendidly engineered and beautifully built true luxury car with a gorgeous interior. I like mine so much I am going to buy a 580.

I give all the credit in the world to Elon Musk for creating the category and building, up until now, the best car on the road. But it was the only one, really, until now, and Mercedes has taken truly taken the concept and created a masterpiece.

I sold my MS for $5000 more than I paid for it, Because Tesla had increased the price by ~ $20,000. Dealers here in Metro Phoenix are selling inventory 580s at MSRP plus a $25-$30,000 "market adjustment". So whatever you decide, you'll make money on the trade. Several dealers here refused to let me order a new 580 at MSRP because they thought I would just flip it. I of course found one who let me order at MSRP, at which Mercedes dealers make a 14% gross margin.
 

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I went from a 2013 MS 85 to a 2017 MSD to a 2021MSLR. The latter is such a horrible car – with a diabolical user interface – that I dumped it after a few months and bought an EQS 450+.

I predict you will not like the new interface in the MSLR. It is clearly designed to be cheap to build and ignores driver convenience. You will also be struck by the extraordinary difference in quality. The Tesla is a poorly built very fast sport vehicle with an interior design by IKEA. It is a glorified golf cart. The EQS is a splendidly engineered and beautifully built true luxury car with a gorgeous interior. I like mine so much I am going to buy a 580.

I give all the credit in the world to Elon Musk for creating the category and building, up until now, the best car on the road. But it was the only one, really, until now, and Mercedes has taken truly taken the concept and created a masterpiece.

I sold my MS for $5000 more than I paid for it, Because Tesla had increased the price by ~ $20,000. Dealers here in Metro Phoenix are selling inventory 580s at MSRP plus a $25-$30,000 "market adjustment". So whatever you decide, you'll make money on the trade. Several dealers here refused to let me order a new 580 at MSRP because they thought I would just flip it. I of course found one who let me order at MSRP, at which Mercedes dealers make a 14% gross margin.
Odysseus, I have been driving the '22 MSLR since March. I agree the interface is not perfect, but I would not necessarily call it diabolical. It definitely has issues and my older car was so much more customizable. The EQS interior is a world of difference and blows away the Tesla interior.

The only negatives in my view: (1) the loss of the Tesla charging network for road trips, and (2)) the Tesla exterior is nicer looking. Yet, in the six months I have driven the MSLR, I have only used a supercharger once and even then it was only because I had 1.000 free miles to use (they expire in two weeks). There also have been rumors for years that Tesla will license other manufacturers to use their network and MB has had a relationship with Tesla for a long time so that partnership seems plausible in the future.

I also believe I can sell the Tesla for more than I paid as I was an early order and as you said it went up almost $20K. I am getting the EQS for sticker. It is not my intention to flip it, as I really believe I will like it more than the Tesla.
 

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Odysseus, I have been driving the '22 MSLR since March. I agree the interface is not perfect, but I would not necessarily call it diabolical. It definitely has issues and my older car was so much more customizable. The EQS interior is a world of difference and blows away the Tesla interior.

The only negatives in my view: (1) the loss of the Tesla charging network for road trips, and (2)) the Tesla exterior is nicer looking. Yet, in the six months I have driven the MSLR, I have only used a supercharger once and even then it was only because I had 1.000 free miles to use (they expire in two weeks). There also have been rumors for years that Tesla will license other manufacturers to use their network and MB has had a relationship with Tesla for a long time so that partnership seems plausible in the future.

I also believe I can sell the Tesla for more than I paid as I was an early order and as you said it went up almost $20K. I am getting the EQS for sticker. It is not my intention to flip it, as I really believe I will like it more than the Tesla.
I have found that for Travel on the interstate network, the EA network is very comparable to the Tesla SCs. In June I drove the car on a 3200 mile round-trip road trip to Indiana and back, all along interstates, and found the EA net work matcher well. Try this: plot any two routes in the country on interstates and compare the EA network to the Tesla SC and you'll see that they are very similar. I certainly had no trouble whatsoever on my road trip, and the EQS charges much, much faster than the Tesla. I took three days: two days each at 650 miles and the third day the residual 300. I startedveach of the days at 80%, and on the long days, had to only make two stops, each about 20 to 25 minutes. By the end of the day, of course, I was back down under 20%, but always overnighted where I could charge. It was very easy.

Yes I am pointed out before, Mercedes way under promises and overdeliver zone range, where Elon musk does the opposite on just about everything, including Tesla range.

I guarantee you will like it more than the Tesla. It is an entirely different league as a car. One of my few complaints about the EQS is that they abandoned the fabulous cruise control stalk which Mercedes has used forever and which Tesla bought from Mercedes and used on all their Ss up thru 2020. For some reason Mercedes abandoned it and went to the touch keypad style in there EQS. The round knob cruise control on the new MS is about the only good feature of that car.
 

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One of my few complaints about the EQS is that they abandoned the fabulous cruise control stalk which Mercedes has used forever and which Tesla bought from Mercedes and used on all their Ss up thru 2020. For some reason Mercedes abandoned it and went to the touch keypad style in there EQS. The round knob cruise control on the new MS is about the only good feature of that car.
I cannot speak for every Mercedes, but my wife's 2020 E450 convertible has the Lane Assist and Speed Sensitive Cruise which are enabled by buttons on the steering wheel. I prefer a stalk but can live with that. I like the Yoke but dislike the turn signals, horn, and lack of a gear shift lever. Stupid omissions.
 

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I cannot speak for every Mercedes, but my wife's 2020 E450 convertible has the Lane Assist and Speed Sensitive Cruise which are enabled by buttons on the steering wheel. I prefer a stalk but can live with that. I like the Yoke but dislike the turn signals, horn, and lack of a gear shift lever. Stupid omissions.
ALL those omissions are to save money in the BOM. Cheaper to build. The horn is really stupid as well. When you really need a horn, in the emergency, you automatically hit the center of the wheel; you don't have the time to hunt for a little hectic. Really really bad design from soup to nuts. But like you, I had no problem with the yoke. I do prefer the Mercedes wheel, however.

I also find it very interesting that a EQS better quipped than an S [except for 0 to 60], is cheaper than a Tesla model S. Tesla's gross margin is in the 40s, while Mercedes is in the low 20s. You get a lot more for your money with a Mercedes
 
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