[Odysssus]

Spend the extra bucks and get the 580. I bought a 450 after driving three Tesla model Ss. I loved the 450 but missed the power. I pounced on a used 580 at my dealer for $20,000 under MSRP and only 2000 miles, I traded my 10,800 mile 450. Financially I did OK because not only did I get it for well under MSRP, I did not have to pay the $30,000 market adjustment premium they were charging on the 580 when I bought my 450 last April. The car also had dealer installed tint and paint protection film, saving another $2500.

It has significantly more power and makes for a far better car. It also has far more cool and useful software features, which simply reflects the fact that it has a much newer software version. All cars should, like Teslas, have the same, but Mercedes refuses to do OTA software upgrades on these cars And, of course, it has the Hyperscreen…

 

[robert-san]

I would say that the 450+ has more than enought in power and you can get the same features in both. It's just a matter of knowing what to order. It's more connected to if you order Hyperscreen or not.

 

[Mkultra40]

Spend the extra bucks and get the 580. I bought a 450 after driving three Tesla model Ss. I loved the 450 but missed the power. I pounced on a used 580 at my dealer for $20,000 under MSRP and only 2000 miles, I traded my 10,800 mile 450. Financially I did OK because not only did I get it for well under MSRP, I did not have to pay the $30,000 market adjustment premium they were charging on the 580 when I bought my 450 last April. The car also had dealer installed tint and paint protection film, saving another $2500.

It has significantly more power and makes for a far better car. It also has far more cool and useful software features, which simply reflects the fact that it has a much newer software version. All cars should, like Teslas, have the same, but Mercedes refuses to do OTA software upgrades on these cars And, of course, it has the Hyperscreen…

Hi Odysssus, tend to agree with Robert about the power side. It's quite enough for me but then it's down to choice. And equally I have to confess, would I pay the extra for the SW power upgrade? On the right red wine fuelled Friday evening, I could press the buy now button.

Also while conceptually I always like the thought of 4WD (and have had a few) I cannot really say as there have been many hours/days where I've benefitted much from it. And the range that the 450 affords is better. And to qualify that, the range that the 450 provides has already become the new norm. I cannot imagine doing without that as a minimum. I guess the years to come will see that adjust upwards.

But I am curious as to what the cool and useful software features are? Would be very interesting to hear about those for sure.

 

[srsmartin1]

I would say that the 450+ has more than enought in power and you can get the same features in both. It's just a matter of knowing what to order. It's more connected to if you order Hyperscreen or not.

Having owned the 450 for six months and 10,800 miles, I agree that it definitely has adequate power. My point is that if you can afford a 450 you can afford a 580 and the difference in power is extraordinary. It's like the difference between trying to move 2 ton boulder with a 5 foot lever or a 50 foot lever. It is just extremely muscular and effortless at every stage of driving and provides a completely different, and, for me, far superior driving experience. I strongly suggest someone test drive the 580 before buying the 450. In the US, you can only get a hyper screen with the 580 and it really is dazzling.

 

[mfreifeld]

Spend the extra bucks and get the 580. I bought a 450 after driving three Tesla model Ss. I loved the 450 but missed the power. I pounced on a used 580 at my dealer for $20,000 under MSRP and only 2000 miles, I traded my 10,800 mile 450. Financially I did OK because not only did I get it for well under MSRP, I did not have to pay the $30,000 market adjustment premium they were charging on the 580 when I bought my 450 last April. The car also had dealer installed tint and paint protection film, saving another $2500.

It has significantly more power and makes for a far better car. It also has far more cool and useful software features, which simply reflects the fact that it has a much newer software version. All cars should, like Teslas, have the same, but Mercedes refuses to do OTA software upgrades on these cars And, of course, it has the Hyperscreen…

I agree. I was about to buy a 2023 450 AWD but just felt the power wasn't there, especially at the top end. Bought a 580 and love it for the power. Style doesn't do much for me, and the back seat is horribly uncomfortable. Interior finishes feel cheap and use lightweight materials in an effort to increase range, which is a bit ironic in a vehicle that is nearly 6 tons.

 

[bstringer]

When I was looking to replace my 2014 Model S85 last April, I had the opportunity to test drive the EQS 450+. I liked the ride and fit and finish but missed the responsiveness of my Model S. Shortly thereafter I was called by my dealer to try an EQS580. I was more than satisfied with the perfromance and put a deposit down on the vehicle that very afternoon. No regrets except I wonder why I have to go to the dealer for a software update? Why no OTA updates? They seemed very normal with the Tesla.

 

[Mkultra40]

Having owned the 450 for six months and 10,800 miles, I agree that it definitely has adequate power. My point is that if you can afford a 450 you can afford a 580 and the difference in power is extraordinary. It's like the difference between trying to move 2 ton boulder with a 5 foot lever or a 50 foot lever. It is just extremely muscular and effortless at every stage of driving and provides a completely different, and, for me, far superior driving experience. I strongly suggest someone test drive the 580 before buying the 450. In the US, you can only get a hyper screen with the 580 and it really is dazzling.

If the big screen is only available with the 580 over there then that does change the pitch in favour of the 580 for sure. Having an EQS without the big screen would be a loss.

Power wise we are obviously a bit more restrained over here For me the range compromise would out way the extra power. I think I'd be tempted into using too much of it too unwisely. And I guess the 4WD components also suck down the range.

I wonder if that imminent SW power upgrade will bridge the power / range gap ... i.e without the 4WD.

 

[Mkultra40]

When I was looking to replace my 2014 Model S85 last April, I had the opportunity to test drive the EQS 450+. I liked the ride and fit and finish but missed the responsiveness of my Model S. Shortly thereafter I was called by my dealer to try an EQS580. I was more than satisfied with the perfromance and put a deposit down on the vehicle that very afternoon. No regrets except I wonder why I have to go to the dealer for a software update? Why no OTA updates? They seemed very normal with the Tesla.

Strange the SW upgrades we do see OTA here. There was one last week. Maybe a less critical one, I'm not sure.

I do need take mine in for some work which sounds like it's SW based but not an upgrade as such.

 

[Globex]

Just picked up EQS 580 couple days ago, my first EV, i love the car, but surprised that it came with out any charging cables.

 

[Mkultra40]

Just picked up EQS 580 couple days ago, my first EV, i love the car, but surprised that it came with out any charging cables.

Without cables is thin on a 130k car. Here in the UK it does come with a 5 meter MB cable.

I understand there can be differences between markets on safety/function etc but why over complicate options between markets so much I just don't get. Especially something as basic and cheap as a simple cable.

But enjoy the car. Also my first EV. And I have to confess I enjoy driving for the first time in a good few years. It really is an elevated experience. Imagine what the 2nd gen EQS will be like.

 

[ajh]

Just picked up EQS 580 couple days ago, my first EV, i love the car, but surprised that it came with out any charging cables.

My car (450+) was delivered the 30th last year with charging cable and a granny charger is also on the way. This charger was not in stock.

I test drove a 580 and the 450+. For me the 450+ is the perfect car. I don't care about the blistering performance. In the Netherlands, where I live, I can't drive faster than 100 km/h most of the time. Accelaration is just fine for me. I prefer range in stead of Tesla Plaid performance. But I can imagine if you're a sporty driver you would like the 580 better.

BTW I really love this car. It's so smooth and comfy. I have issues not falling asleep behind the wheel

 

[TonvanB]

I have issues not falling asleep behind the wheel

Already invited by the car for a cup of coffee?

 

[ajh]

Already invited by the car for a cup of coffee?

Nope, but the Energizing assistent has been bugging me. My Garmin smart watch talks to the Energizing assistent about whats going on with me

 

[robert-san]

Nope, but the Energizing assistent has been bugging me. My Garmin smart watch talks to the Energizing assistent about whats going on with me

In the old car it was the wife talking about your driving. 🤣

 

[jRodney]

Hi Odysssus, tend to agree with Robert about the power side. It's quite enough for me but then it's down to choice. And equally I have to confess, would I pay the extra for the SW power upgrade? On the right red wine fuelled Friday evening, I could press the buy now button.

Also while conceptually I always like the thought of 4WD (and have had a few) I cannot really say as there have been many hours/days where I've benefitted much from it. And the range that the 450 affords is better. And to qualify that, the range that the 450 provides has already become the new norm. I cannot imagine doing without that as a minimum. I guess the years to come will see that adjust upwards.

But I am curious as to what the cool and useful software features are? Would be very interesting to hear about those for sure.

Spend the extra bucks and get the 580. I bought a 450 after driving three Tesla model Ss. I loved the 450 but missed the power. I pounced on a used 580 at my dealer for $20,000 under MSRP and only 2000 miles, I traded my 10,800 mile 450. Financially I did OK because not only did I get it for well under MSRP, I did not have to pay the $30,000 market adjustment premium they were charging on the 580 when I bought my 450 last April. The car also had dealer installed tint and paint protection film, saving another $2500.

It has significantly more power and makes for a far better car. It also has far more cool and useful software features, which simply reflects the fact that it has a much newer software version. All cars should, like Teslas, have the same, but Mercedes refuses to do OTA software upgrades on these cars And, of course, it has the Hyperscreen…

Just have our 580 a few days. we also have tesla X. if one could marry all the Tesla software features to the MB feeling of safety in the 580.. it would be a perfect world. i really haven’t pushed the power component of the 580 yet. the 2019 X was beyond in speed/acceleration category! it actually we believe got us out of a possible crash b/c my husb accelerated out of the line of contact Very quickly! that being said the MB doesn’t feel that quick.. definitely slower to get up to speed vs X. However the main battery failed 50 mi away from home & then the loaner X was just about the same thing. Those events pushed me back to MB. Upgrades not OTA seems very backward.. i hope that’s not accurate!
We still have the X so my tech fun is still available BUT the 580 seems & feels a strong, sturdy EV for the long term